the Guardian Article Wednesday 24th January says:
A former nurse and Roman Catholic deacon accused of killing at least 10 people at a clinic in Belgium was stressed out by personal difficulties including renovations on his house, investigators have told his trial.
Ivo Poppe, 61, who has been dubbed the “Deacon of Death” by Belgian media, confessed on the first day of his trial to killing up to 20 people beginning more than 20 years ago.
Poppe either gave his mostly elderly victims at the clinic in Menin, near the French border, the tranquilliser valium or injected air into their veins to cause a fatal embolism.
they say Poppe told investigators that his victims also included his own mother, his step-father and two uncles.
Article also quotes him as saying “I wanted to end their suffering, these people weren’t really living any more.”
The married father-of-three expressed regret for the way he carried out the killings. “If it was now, I would call a palliative care team,” he said. Belgium legalised euthanasia for adults in 2002.
They say The investigators examined 65 suspicious deaths but “we don’t have any idea of the number” of his victims, the investigator added. Poppe worked at the clinic in the 1980s and 1990s but continued to act as a pastoral visitor until 2011 after he was ordained as a deacon.
Article says investigatory team looked into 65 suspicious deaths and that they don't have any idea of the number of his victims.
He was first it says he was arrested in 2014 after authorities were told that he had confided in his psychiatrist that he had “euthanised dozens of people”.
They say Poppe explained the context of his comments to the psychiatrist, whom he consulted on the advice of his wife.
“I wanted someone to help me with my nightmares, I really needed therapy. That’s why I talked about dozens of cases, it was deliberately exaggerated,” Poppe told the court on Monday.
The trial is scheduled to last two weeks. Poppe faces life in jail if convicted.
iflscience say when quoting the same guardian article that "an air embolism, also called a gas embolism, is a rare but potentially fatal condition. It happens when one or more air bubbles enter the vascular system through a vein (venous) or artery (arterial), causing a blockage. These bubbles can travel to the brain, heart, or lungs and result in a stroke, heart attack, or respiratory failure respectively."
BBC article dated 22nd Januray 2018 say His mother had reportedly been suffering from depression - and that her doctors have denied that she would have chosen to be euthanised.
disambiguation, the deacon of death label has been used before as I saw at least one reference to another person such as samual smithers, First Baptist Church in Plant City, in Florida, that killed prostitutes so be careful when looking up names of Deacon of death, or things like angel od death as it does appear that people try to obscure names and or information with that method at times.
Daily Mail article dated 23rd January 2018 by a Julian Robinson, says with the inquiry having established a list of at least 50 suspect deaths based on notes in his diary, which included a count of fatalities at the clinic.
that Daily Mail (at least at time I read it) says The trial is set to last two weeks and include testimony from dozens of witnesses, relatives, psychiatrists and officials from the diocese, and says the trial is taking place in bruges.
Daily Mail article (at least time I read it) also says that Cardinal Jozef De Kesel, the head of the diocese at the time of the killings and now the most senior Church figure in Belgium, said in 2014 that he was 'stunned' by the allegations and pledged the full cooperation of the Roman Catholic authorities.
Catholic News Agency in their article quote the bbc article and say "Before he became a deacon, Poppe was a nurse and worked for 20 years at a clinic in the town of Menin and say the decons mother who is one of the people he is on trial for killing was 89.
this clip on youtube, gave date 22nd January as when the hearing was:
and another clip posted later in that week which i watched before referenced monday which is the same date as the 22nd. IF you can extract any more facts out of the foreign language vid let me know. (as I think the number 80 was reference in there, was that witnesses, deaths or something else?)
dw article dated 22nd January 2018 say The trial is set to last two weeks, with some 80 witnesses, relatives, psychiatrists and officials from the diocese to give their testimony.
rtbf article 22nd January 2018 "le diacre de la mort"
says "Sa première victime était son grand-oncle de 79 ans, Maurice Vanhaverbeke. Ivo Poppe a admis l'avoir étouffé avec un oreiller en septembre 1978"
it says "son deuxième grand-oncle Leo Vanhaverbeke (81 ans) en mai 1986, son beau-père Gerard Vercamer (80 ans) en 2004 et sa mère Ivonna Vanhaverbeke (90 ans) le 27 janvier 2011."
"Lors d'une de ses 67 auditions par les enquêteurs, Ivo Poppe a avoué avoir tué Marguérite Blondeel (84 ans) et Irma Parmentier (74 ans), avant de revenir sur ces aveux."
rtbf says "Pas moins de 77 témoins seront entendus lors du procès. L'accusé risque la prison à perpétuité."
and what is this reference to a belgium king? in sudinfo.be article?
"L’avocate de l’accusé a également nuancé les croix qui se trouvaient à côté des noms de personnes décédées dans son agenda. « Ce n’est pas un palmarès mais seulement une indication des morts dans son entourage, à l’hôpital, à la paroisse et même la disparition de personnes connues comme le roi Baudouin. » Ivo Poppe avait d’abord dressé une liste des décès qu’il a probablement causés, mais la défense en conteste la précision."
lesoir article says " Le diacre de Wevelgem a déclaré qu’il avait activement euthanasié un maximum de 20 personnes. "
wikipeida says Wevelgem is a municipality located in the Belgian province of West Flanders. The municipality comprises the towns of Gullegem, Moorsele and Wevelgem proper. On January 1, 2006, Wevelgem had a total population of 31,020. The total area is 38.76 km² which gives a population density of 800 inhabitants per km²."
sudouest.fr articlea dated 22 january 2018 says "Ivo Poppe a commencé à travailler comme infirmier en 1978 dans une clinique de Menin, dans la région de Courtrai" says "cour d’assises de bruges" which is criminal court as I try to workout to see if i can find a reference to the actual court.
can anyone find anything on a court system? as tribunaux-rechtbanken.be certainly isn't a help, though i note their are clips inside court in some news articles looked at.
lalibe.be article reveals the name bart meganck in
"Le président de la cour d'assises de Flandre occidentale Bart Meganck a entamé lundi après-midi l'interrogatoire d'Ivo Poppe"
Unfortunately i appear to have unearthed a balrog on delving deeper which did explain the injections image i saw before I started researching more as their is mention of court case of parents who refused to vaccinate children in a 2008 article before bart meganck being fined €5500 (£4100; $8000) and sentenced to five months in prison as they didn't show up in court according to that article
as i reflect on pointing the willow brook stuff out again and other cases of human experimentation by doctors and government in general, and american rulings around letting parents choose.
Meanwhile i'm going to cut and paste these here, while I stall for time:
A web search bought back a list of "17 nurses who were serial killers"
1. Nurse Amelia Dyer, who killed 400 infants
2. Nurse Arnfinn Nesset 'may have murdered up to 138 people;
(Norwegian nurse said to be the most prolific known serial killer in Scandinavian history. He was convicted on March 18,1983 of poisoning at least 22 patients with Curacit. He initially confessed to killing 138 patients, then 27 patients, but was only convicted for 23. He was released from prison in 2004 after serving 21 years, the maximum punishment possible by Norwegian law.)
3.Nurse Edson Izidoro Guimarães 'convicted of four murders in 2000. However, the medical nurse admitted to killing five patients, and some estimates place his probable list of victims at more than 130'
4. Daniela Poggiali 90 patients, then taking selfies with them.
5. the killer nurse Jane Toppan ""Jolly Jane," confessed to 33 murders in 1901
6. Charles Cullen spent 16 years as a serial killing nurse upto 40 patients, before he was finally caught in 2003.
7. Genene Jones was active from 1977 to 1982
8. Stephan Letter used lethal injections to kill at least 29 of his patient. 80 reportedly died while he was on duty.
9. In 1999, Orville Lynn Majors was given the unusual sentence of 360 years in prison for his three-year serial killing spree that took the lives of up to 130 patients
10. In 1989, Richard Angelo was given a minimum of 50 years in prison after he was convicted of killing four patients and harming four others. Further investigations determined that he had actually poisoned at least 35 in longisland.
11. Kimberly Saenz is a convicted medical serial killer who obtained her last job by falsifying information on her application.
12. Kristen Gilbert's 'During her trial, prosecutors claimed Gilbert killed at least four patients by overdosing them on epinephrine, which caused them to suffer from a heart attack. They also indicated that Gilbert's main motive was to get more attention from a hospital security guard she was dating. '
13. In 2006, Czech nurse Petr Zelenka was arrested for injecting at least 17 of his patients with heparin
14. Beverley Allitt was entrusted with the lives of numerous kids in a British hospital's children's ward in the spring of 1991. Tragically, she managed to attack 13 young patients and kill four during a murder spree that lasted less than two months
15. Elizabeth Tracey Mae Wettlaufer worked with elderly patients from 2007-2014 before she was caught and convicted of killing eight people
16,17. Cathy Wood and Gwendolyn Graham were coworkers engaged in a romantic relationship that turned deadly. Dubbed the "Lethal Lovers" by the media, Graham and Wood killed at least five patients together in a nursing home during a two-month period in 1987 in 1989, the former lovers were arrested and convicted of five patient murders.
18. Niels Hoegel (January 2018, charging him with killing an additional 97 patients over the years.)
19. Miyuki Ishikawa was a maternity nurse in Japan in the 1940s. During this time, abortion was prohibited in Japan, so she killed infants born to parents unwilling to care for them. It is estimated that she killed more than 103 newborn children. She was arrested in 1948 and sentenced to 4 years in prison (nurse)
Donald Harvey is an American serial killer who claims to have murdered 87 people. He claims he started out killing to "ease the pain" of patients. As he progressed in his murders, he began to enjoy it more and more and became a self-professed "Angel of Death." He is currently serving the first of 28 consecutive life sentences.
20. In 1901, U.S. nurse Jane Toppan confessed to poisoning 31 patients for her own sexual gratification. After overdosing them she would get in bed and lie with them as they died. She was found not guilty by reason of insanity and interned in a mental institution until her death in 1938
21. Joan Vila is a Spanish nursing home worker who fatally poisoned 11 elderly residents or more. In the trial he claimed they were mercy kills intended to spare the victims of further suffering, but at least three of them were administered caustic cleaning materials that caused severe burns and a long agony.
22. 19. Fredrick Mors Born Carl Menarik, Mors killed 8 elderly patients in New York by poisoning them. He was sent to an asylum and escaped. He was never caught. "herr docktor"
or the 26 doctors who were serial killer list though some of these belong in the the nurses who were serial killer list (i think)
1. Dr. H. H. Holmes is considered one of the first serial killers in American history. in the later 1800s, Holmes killed anywhere between 9 and 200 people. He took his victims from the Chicago World's Fair. He was sentenced to death and executed by hanging.
- Daniela Poggiali, who worked at a Lugo hospital, killed her victims with hefty doses of potassium chlorid (t nurse)
2. Dr Harold Shipman 250
3. Michael Swango may have only admitted to the death of 4 patients, but he's suspected of poisoning up to 60
4. French doctor Marcel Petiot is suspected of killing 60 people. However, only 23 bodies were found in his Paris home during World War II. He was beheaded in 1946.
5. Shirō Ishii experimented on humans while working with the Imperial Japanese Army. He was working on biological warfare and killed hundreds, possibly thousands of people. He received immunity for his war crimes at the end of the war (reminds me of martin, sinclair, garcia and chapman)
6. Linda Hazzard was responsible for the deaths of at least 13 people while working as an osteopathist. Her therapeutic fasting method of medicine lead to the starvation deaths of many her patients. She later died of starvation from her fasting.
7. John Bodkin Adams may have never been convicted for the murders of 160 patients, but he spent time in prison for fraud. Nearly all of his 132 victims left him money in their wills.
8. Josef Mengele A german doctor made his mark on history when he worked as a doctor at the Auschwitz concentration camp. He selected people to be killed in the gas chambers and performed human experiments. He later fled to Brazil and was never brought to justice.
9. Robert George Clements worked as a surgeon in Ireland. He was suspected of killing his four wives through morphine overdoses. Before he could stand trial he killed himself with his own overdose.
10. Dr. Thomas Neill Cream killed at least 5 people. He poisoned his victims and then attempted to frame others for his crimes. He was executed by hanging in 1892.
11. Morris Bolber was one of the members of the Philadelphia poison ring, which killed at least 50 people for hire. Bolber killed his victims in various ways from poisonings to bludgeoning. He was sentenced to life in prison in 1939 and died in 1954.
12. In 1966, multiple people in a New Jersey hospital were poisoned with curare by the mysterious Dr. X. Years later, officials figured out that Mario Jascalevich was the culprit. However, he was acquitted at trial due to lack of evidence.
13. Dr. Louay is an Iraqi medical doctor who murdered 43 wounded policemen, soldiers and officials between October 2005 to March 2006. Pretending to treat his victims, Dr. Louay was actually administering anti-coagulants that made their bleeding worse and eventually killed them.
14. Maxim Petrov killed 12 patients while working as a doctor in Russia. He stole from his victims as well. He was sentenced to life in prison.
15. Anders Hansson is considered to be Sweden's most prolific serial killer. When he was just 18 years old, between Oct. 1978 and Jan. 1979, Hansson poisoned 27 elderly patients during working hours. H
16. Hu Wanlin was suspected of killing 146 people during his time as a doctor. He was arrested various times during his medical career for homicide and human trafficking but was allowed to continue his medical career. His herbal remedies actually contained sodium sulfate which killed many of his patients. He was sentenced to 15 years in prison.
17. Kermit Gosnell (born February 9, 1941) is a former American physician from Pennsylvania. In 2013, Gosnell was charged with 8 murders and convicted of 4. Three babies were born alive, then killed by cutting the infant's spine with scissors. One mother died due to complications. Testimony indicated hundreds of similar procedures carried out by Gosnell and his staff.
18. Steven Massof (pictured right), who worked in Kermit Gosnell's abortion clinic, testified that he snipped the spines of more than 100 babies after seeing them show signs of life. He was active from 2003-2008.
medical experimentation list, which i haven't kept up to date, plutonium files? quakers oats, what was the american supreme court case reference on autism? acres of skin book? and all that other research I forgot to write up, nook mark at the time, look everyone knows the queens is guilty og genocide, wether it be canada, suppression of psychics using that s word, or torture in iraq, afghanistan, kenya, cyprus, ireland inter alia so I think that 08 case ruling was insane.
Talk about sloppy at this end
sciencemag April 27th 2017 article comments on a £3.6 billion payout over vaccination victims from the vaccine court since its first case in 1988 saying "any vaccine can cause and occurs 1.3 times per million vaccinations; intussusception, an intestinal blockage that occurs in between one and five of every 100,000 infants vaccinated against rotavirus; and brachial neuritis (also called Parsonage-Turner syndrome), a painful inflammation of the nerves supplying the hand and arm, which afflicts up to 10 of every million tetanus vaccinees."
that article says "Where the evidence shows that a vaccine did serious or fatal damage, as with a 4-year-old girl who died of anaphylaxis the day after receiving several childhood vaccines, the court awards substantial damages. Her parents received the maximum death benefit under the law: $250,000."
and huffington post 2009 article mentions 4,900 cases in vacine court citing autism, citing "that mercury-containing vaccines were the cause of her autism" and a blog entry with a court statement from the UNITED STATES COURT OF FEDERAL CLAIMS dated 9th November 2007.
does anyone speak dutch? hln.be article 24th jan 2018. as hl.be seem to be having articles covering the various days of the case, or more article then just one on the case.
I think one of hte articles which seems to be behind a pay wall, references a book 'Terreur In De Zorg' meaning 'terror In the care ' by Dutch journalist Carel Wiemers of cases such as the daecons, though couldn't find it in the uk amazon web search.
euthanasia is a worry given known abuses of medical system, but msn article says "In 2014 it extended the right to children so long as they are conscious and capable of making rational decisions." msn says that the majority of killings took place before the 2008 euthanasia law they enacted.
guardian 13th feb 2014 article article says that vote was 86-44 vote in the House of Representatives. this link says minimum age is 12 years (for Netherlands?) as I reflect on how many people got murdered in years gone by. T 4 wards, concentration camps, or lobotomy Rosemary Kennedy and other cases of murder by the system.
this article worryingly says "Under the law there is no age limit to minors who can seek a lethal injection." and also says 86-44 was the vote. newsweek article lists Belgium, Luxembourg, and the Netherlands as those allowing euthanasia by a second person.
that ncbi article dated Feb 16 2008 said
"“It would be better for them to come back to me and appear,” Judge Meganck said. This would allow the parents to explain their motivation for refusing the vaccinations and to have this information in official court documents for potential appeal to a higher court. But he noted that Belgian law allows exceptions only if parents can prove that the child might have adverse health reactions to the polio< vaccine." so I am curious what happened to that case, did they pay a fine? as thoose science article said their was a chance of death.
As rereading that article all I can see is that Bart Meganck of the Court of First Instance in the Flemish city of Dendermonde, said the jail was suspended, as they convicted on basis of police reports. and article says since 1960s vaccination against polio has been compulsory in Belgium for all infants before they reach 18 months old. but the article with that story in is dated 2008 but surely any likelyhood of death with a vacination however small would fulfill the "But he noted that Belgian law allows exceptions only if parents can prove that the child might have adverse health reactions to the polio vaccine." clause thus rendering them innocent, and if any fined was payed, them innocent?
sciencemag article by By Meredith Wadman Apr. 27, 2017 , "between one and five of every 100,000 infants" surely if thats true for death then that fulfills criteria for might as specified in that 2008 judge Bart Meganck statement as quoted in the ncbi article where its says "exceptions only if parents can prove that the child might have adverse health reactions"?
Actually on rereading it the paragraph in sciencemag article says "a life-threatening allergic reaction that almost any vaccine can cause and occurs 1.3 times per million vaccinations; intussusception, an intestinal blockage that occurs in between one and five of every 100,000 infants vaccinated against rotavirus; and brachial neuritis (also called Parsonage-Turner syndrome), a painful inflammation of the nerves supplying the hand and arm, which afflicts up to 10 of every million tetanus vaccines." so i'm presuming i'd have to look at polio specifically, so that argument potentially falls down.
Unless I see what happened if anything with that Belgium law in the interim. Thus rendering me phoning anyone up potentially obsolete currently as I'd have look at polio vaccine stats. however that being said I think freewill and consent override those who try to vaccinate others to save their own scrawny necks, which undoubtedly results in a path to war, and results in genocide, human experimentation, torture to shut people up for political belief, large sets of population being rendered sterile in ethnic cleansing land grabs inter alia (though kids and consent is a dodgy debate at 18 months old.)
https://vaccines.procon.org/view.additional-resource.php?resourceID=005964 saying :
"In 1935 two teams tested a polio vaccine but neither were successful and both teams infected and killed some test subjects (the scientists, chimpanzees, human adults, and children). In 1951, Jonas Salk, MD, and his team developed a method to cultivate polio virus in monkey kidney tissue in order to be able to produce large amounts of the vaccine. On Apr. 12, 1955 the results of the Salk vaccine trials showed the vaccine was 80-90% effective and the US government licensed the IPV (inactivated polio vaccine) vaccine the same day. The vaccination program was suspended on May 8, 1955 to investigate paralysis resulting from the vaccine injection; changes to the production method were made and vaccination resumed on May 27, 1955."
Does not appear to be an auspicious start, as far as far as vaccines go, especially if vaccines are never 100% effective anyway, and assuming your not killed, or injected by one of those nurse serial killers with something else, ala the selenium horse race deaths.
oh vactruth Article dated April 28, 2011 by Catherine J. Frompovich said in that article "The Belgium court at Tournai recently ruled in favor of individual human rights when it rescinded Belgium’s long-time mandatory polio vaccination law. " under the notion that people more likely to get it were via vaccinations or something, however then that 2011 article goes on to say that while the Patient Rights Law of August 22, 2002 prevailed, the government were appealing that tournai ruling at the time.
vactruth Article also said "Apparently, nvCJD, a new variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease [mad cow disease], was suspected as being connected to the polio vaccine in five males in Southampton, UK. Notices went out to the medical profession and the polio vaccine was withdrawn"
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